and a variety of laws from state to state. now, i think that kate would say that if the pro-choice movement had been a little more e expansive, perhaps moving their mandate into reproductive rights around access to contraception, access to health care for poor women, that they could have been a little more successful in moving their agenda forward. >> you know, they do realize, though, none of this happens in a vacuum. and you look at the polls that show americans are becoming more, quote, pro-life every year. and i remember when kate, when we were expecting kate, i remember looking at the 3-d imagery. >> yeah, technology has a lot to do with this. >> identify got two older boys, and i remember seeing kate for the first time. and when they did the ultrasound, and i just gasped. >> yeah. >> by the way, i look at jack now. and the arch of jack's nose nose, i picked up in the first ultrasound. and every time i see that arch, i'm like, oh, miieieied god, i that early on. speaking of technology, jack was born two-and-a-half months